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AlanStewart



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: 3.96b Reply with quote

I've just installed 3.96b share-ware version. I still need to buy the full upgrade. Since I last bought Zeus a great many moons ago I'm not sure about the procedure. I assume just go through the normal RegNet thingy?
http://www.zeusedit.com/purchase.html

At any rate, I've done some poking around and there's a few things that I've noticed:

1) The code folding margin is quite large and if you click and drag in it there is no selection highlighted. I seem to recall that there was something similar wrong with 3.95 quite a while back? Is it possible to have that area reduced like it was previous to 3.96?

2) The bookmarking is indeed not working. No bookmarks set at all. At least not with Alt-1 etc. Has this changed? I like the look of the new Alt-J box. Will there be a text box to just enter the bookmark number into and just to? I find it's a lot faster to use the keyboad than the mouse for such things. Maybe make the first lines selectable by number, much like the new File List? Thanks for doing that BTW, I use it a LOT!

3) As for Smart Indent, I suppose it's working because it's still not what I want. I want it to work the way it was before, which was to line up with the line above, not the line below. I am finding it really annoying when I'm working inside a for() loop, hit enter, hit enter again for a blank bit of whitespace, and end up with the cursor backspaced a tab stop instead of still lined up where I need it.

I'm gonna go back to my 3.95z installation because I need to get back to work instead of having fun with my favorite editor. Let us know when there's a new 3.96 patch and I'll give it a whirl!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Alan,

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I assume just go through the normal RegNet thingy?http://www.zeusedit.com/purchase.html

That is correct. There is an upgrade link to RegNet from the Zeus purchase page.

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1) The code folding margin is quite large

The code folding margin is no more than four pixels bigger than the code folding plus/minus box Confused

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and if you click and drag in it there is no selection highlighted.

Make sure you click on the code folding margin to do the selection and not the line number region to the left of the folding margin. The area to the left of the margin is now controlled by the bookmarks.

For example if you double click on this region you will toggle a bookmark.

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Is it possible to have that area reduced like it was previous to 3.96?

I don't see where the area can be reduced from. The bookmark indicator fills up the area to the left of the margin Confused
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2) The bookmarking is indeed not working. No bookmarks set at all. At least not with Alt-1 etc.

I just don't see this bug Sad

For me Alt-1, Alt-2, Alt-3, Alt-4 etc all drop bookmark indicators and I can navigate to them using the Alt+J Confused

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Has this changed? I like the look of the new Alt-J box.

The Alt-J box is naturally a new change but for me the bookmarks are working Smile

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Will there be a text box to just enter the bookmark number into and just to?

This still requires some thought. The problem is there are now two types of bookmarks. There is the old Brief style numbered bookmark and the new un-numbered bookmark. For example the double click drop bookmark option drops an un-number bookmark.

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I find it's a lot faster to use the keyboard than the mouse for such things.

I agree 100%. You could always bind the old BookMarkGoto function to something like Alt+Shift+J, giving you the best of both worlds Smile

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Maybe make the first lines selectable by number, much like the new File List?

I'll take a look at adding something like this. FWIW you can use the up/down arrows to select a bookmark item from the list, so you can use this dialog without a mouse Wink

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3) As for Smart Indent, I suppose it's working because it's still not what I want.

See my other reply to your smart indent bug report.

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I'm working inside a for() loop, hit enter, hit enter again for a blank bit of whitespace, and end up with the cursor backspaced a tab stop instead of still lined up where I need it.

This is a know bug with the current smart indenting Sad

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Let us know when there's a new 3.96 patch and I'll give it a whirl!

Keep an eye on the Announcements section of the forum. When a new patch is ready a posting will be made there.

In your case you just managed to beat the gun by finding the new release a few hours before it was announced Smile

Cheers Jussi
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AlanStewart



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. I did not realize that it was a new Bookmark margin. That's an issue for me. I much prefer there to be no margin, or at least not much of one. What I've got now I guess is the few pixels of the collapsed code folding margin. No lone numbers, no nuttin'.

I will try Zeus 3.96b at home and see what happens there. I definitely could not get bookmarks to work. Perhaps it's an issue with overwriting the zConfig directory? Or Zeus.INI?

Hmm, I like the old bookmarks. Very fast to use. And I use them a lot. I admit that originally I was troubled by not being able to jump from file to file with the bookmarks, but I soon got used to having 10 bookmarks in *every* file instead of only 10 bookmarks total. I suppose I could set up the default one that I want to use on Alt-J and the other one on Alt-Shift-J. That would work well.

Is there any way to get the Bookmark column to be in a different colour or have a margin drawn or something to make it seem less like there's a big blank area there? I use Zeus as a program editor, not and IDE so about 90% of the bells+whistles (ie. all the cool stuff you put so much work into) I just don't use and try to hide.

Being able to select a bookmark from a list takes a *LOT* longer if I have to hit the down-arrow 9 times instead of just hitting the 9 + ENTER.

I didn't realize I'd jumped the gun on 3.96b. Sorry 'bout dat! :)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan,

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What I've got now I guess is the few pixels of the collapsed code folding margin. No lone numbers, no nuttin'

I have just noticed that the visual display of the bookmarks is broken when the line numbers are hidden Sad

But even with the line numbers off, for me I can still drop bookmarks and navigated between the dropped bookmarks Wink

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Hmm, I like the old bookmarks. Very fast to use. And I use them a lot.

I too like the old bookmarks. I guess since they are classic Brief, for me they define exactly how bookmarks should work Smile

But there where so many request for visual bookmarks (a feature I personally don't need or use), that I finally gave in an added the feature.

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but I soon got used to having 10 bookmarks in *every* file instead of only 10 bookmarks total.

Exactly. For me I use of the Alt+B and Ctrl+A to do the file navigation and Alt+1, Alt+2 ... for the bookmarks.

What more could you ever want Smile

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Is there any way to get the Bookmark column to be in a different colour

Set the line number colour different to the folder colour. The bookmark takes on the same colour as the line number.

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have a margin drawn or something to make it seem less like there's a big blank area there?

With the line number showing, you will see that the bookmark indicator does fill most of the blank area.

I suspect what is needed is an option to hide or show the bookmark margin Confused

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I didn't realize I'd jumped the gun on 3.96b. Sorry 'bout dat! Smile

You only just beat me Wink

Cheers Jussi
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AlanStewart



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. Well, I never managed to set any to notice that they weren't there. I'll have to take another look next time. It's really weird that I had that bookmark problem. I'll have to check and see what Alt-# and Alt-J were mapped to.

Yeah, I'm an old curmudgeon so classic Brief is still the way I think. Not that I'm against the visual bookmarks. I think that if I just try them I'll start to use them. Especially the ability to jump around between files! Do the new bookmarks lock to the actual location in the code or are they still just marking the line number they were on without being adjusted as lines above are added/deleted?

I use Alt-V. I like the expanded list. And the expanded list also starts with the cursor on the current file so it's easy to just go up/down from there. For me, Alt-A is still Select All. Oh, hey, have you noticed that in 3.95, saving files from the expanded file list sometimes moves the cursor to some previously opened file? I'll have to check it out in 3.96 and see if I can describe the action a bit better in a proper bug report.

Okay. I'll try setting the line number colour and see if that makes my brain work better. With it all being while I think that the bookmark and line number columns are just whitespace.

Yes, yet another option to disable the cool new feature. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do the new bookmarks lock to the actual location in the code or are they still just marking the line number they were on without being adjusted as lines above are added/deleted?

They only hold the line number and do not adjust for adds or deletes.

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Oh, hey, have you noticed that in 3.95, saving files from the expanded file list sometimes moves the cursor to some previously opened file? I'll have to check it out in 3.96 and see if I can describe the action a bit better in a proper bug report.

I don't remember seeing this, but it does sound like a bug Sad

Cheers Jussi
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AlanStewart



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: 3.96b+patch Reply with quote

I've got 3.96b here for evaluation. I'm just gonna list a few things as I come across them.

1) Still no Alt-# bookmarks, and I've checked and the mappings seem correct. I really don't know what the issue is with this. It's gotta be maddening.

2) Turning the Line Wrap indicator off turns it off *PERMANENTLY*. No amount of toggling the menu setting or reloading Zeus will bring it back.

3) Okay, setting bookmarks by double-clicking *DOES* work, so there's that. And it's real cool to see them and to be able to jump from file to file! Sweet. Are there any plans to update bookmarks as the file is edited?

4) Turning line numbers off truns off the bookmark indicators.

5) What are those indicators anyways? Against a pink background colour they look like the tops of boxes with non-invisible rounded corners. I think they need some transparency and the bottoms need to be rounded as well. Or just go with a circle or splot shape?

6) Is there any way to update the colour scheme for *all* file types? Say if I want to turn line numbers on for *all* files and set the background colour to pink for *all* file types?

7) Here's the expanded file list saving issue: Edit a couple of files next to each other and go to another file a few files away. Then, pop up the expanded file list (Alt-V for me) and shift-select the edited (*) files so that they are highlighted. His Alt-S to save 'em and the cursor then jumps to the file that you were just at when the expanded file list was brought up. Not fatal, but sometimes annoying.

8) What're the odds of shrinking down the expanded file list a bit. The status box is a bit wide for just the * (dunno what it shows for hidden files) and there's a lot of unused space to the right of the status column.

9) None of the tools in the Tools menu work?

10) Put some bookmarks into a file. Go to a different file. Put some bookmarks in that file. Hit F3 to split the window. The line numbers disappear along with the bookmarks. From the top window, Alt-J brings up all the bookmarks. From the bottom window, only the bookmarks in the *other* file show up. None from the current, split file. While in the bottom window, hit F3 and the split goes away. Hit Alt-J and *all* the bookmarks from the current file are now all gone. This has been a bug ever since I started using Zeus.

Okay, is that enough for now? :)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Alan,

I think what is going wrong is the new version of Zeus is finding the old Zeus key on your machine and this is causing the strange software behaviour you are seeing Confused

To test this theory you need to start regedit and find this key:
Code:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\xidicone\Zeus

and rename it to somthing like:
Code:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\xidicone\Zeus_old

Cheers Jussi
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1) Still no Alt-# bookmarks

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2) Turning the Line Wrap indicator off turns it off *PERMANENTLY*

I am pretty sure this is the registry key issue mention earlier.

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Are there any plans to update bookmarks as the file is edited?

Possibly.

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4) Turning line numbers off truns off the bookmark indicators.

This will be fixed in the next patch.

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5) What are those indicators anyways?

It is a bitmap.

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I think they need some transparency

I see what you mean. It does need some transparency Wink

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6) Is there any way to update the colour scheme for *all* file types? Say if I want to turn line numbers on for *all* files and set the background colour to pink for *all* file types?

I think if you setup one document type, for example the c/c++ document type, which will update the Zeuscpp-coloring.ext file. You could then copy an paste this file over all the other ZeusXXX-coloring.ext files.

If you run this DOS command from within Zeus:
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dir "$zdzConfig\Zeus*-coloring.ext"
the resulting output can be used to create a simple batch file to do the file copy.

Naturally I would suggest backing up the zConfig directory before you start, just in case Wink

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7) Here's the expanded file list saving issue:

Hopefully this will be fixed in the next patch.

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The status box is a bit wide for just the *

I'll take a bit of the status column Wink

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9) None of the tools in the Tools menu work?

I am pretty sure this is the registry key issue mention earlier.

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10) Put some bookmarks into a file. Go to a different file. Put some bookmarks in that file. Hit F3 to split the window. The line numbers disappear along with the bookmarks.

This has always been the case.

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From the top window, Alt-J brings up all the bookmarks. From the bottom window, only the bookmarks in the *other* file show up. None from the current, split file.

For me, I have two windows open, both with bookmarks, one split. No matter which window window I Alt+J from I see all the bookmarks. I can also navigate to all the bookmarks Confused

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While in the bottom window, hit F3 and the split goes away. Hit Alt-J and *all* the bookmarks from the current file are now all gone. This has been a bug ever since I started using Zeus.

Do you have the Line Numbers display turned on. As I mentioned earlier the bookmarks display is broken when Line Number are turned off.

Cheers Jussi
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: 3.96d Reply with quote

Hmm, it's starting to look like my system is kinda messed up WRT jumping back and forth between old and new versions and updates. I'm still getting some of those bugs but it could still have something to do with the key issues you described, even though I did rename that key. How about you let me know when there's another significant update (3.96e) and then I'll pay for it to get a proper registration key and then I'll do a full and complete install and see what happens. I'll remember (I hope!) to change the registration key ...

Okay, I'll bite, how the heck do you copy an entry in the Registry to back it up? Other than exporting it, editing it, and re-entering it? Oh well, whatever.

And hopefully *THEN* I'll have a properly clean version of Zeus. And then, once I'm happy with that, I'll dump over my old 3.95zzzzz zConfig and zScript directory (just my own scripts) and hopefully that won't mess anything up, and I'll be very happily running on the latest and greatest, fully functional Zeus. Sounds like a good plan to me!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Alna,

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I'm still getting some of those bugs but it could still have something to do with the key issues you described, even though I did rename that key.

I just re-read my last post regarding the bugs you raised and as far as I know all these issues have be fixed have been fixed in the latest 3.96d patch Question

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How about you let me know when there's another significant update (3.96e)

At present there are no outstanding known bugs/issues so there are no plans for a 3.96e any time in the near future.

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and then I'll pay for it to get a proper registration key

FWIW any 3.96 registration key will work with Zeus all current and any future 3.96 patch Wink

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and then I'll do a full and complete install and see what happens.

As a test, why don't you do a full install with the latest 3.96d release. If you rename you current Zeus install directory the second install will not even know it is there.

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Okay, I'll bite, how the heck do you copy an entry in the Registry to back it up?

Zeus puts very little information in the registry. If you want to back it up just use regedit and export this registry entry:
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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Xidicone

and possibly this key as well:
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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\SourceCodeControlProvider\InstalledSCCProviders

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Other than exporting it, editing it, and re-entering it? Oh well, whatever.

The registry entry is really only used for registering the SCC version control. Even if you delete the Xidicone key Zeus will run fine Wink

Cheers Jussi
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