I'm probably nuts but it's really time I got on the bandwagon and upgraded because it sounds like the New And Improved Zeus has a lot more of the features I'm looking for. My only issue is that I've spent so long with 3.94 and 3.95 that I've gone a little customization crazy. I've also got my work configuration totally out of sync with my home configuration so I think it's time to grab 3.96n and start clean and fresh and with my registry also cleaned out, and then see if I can (slowly) make my new Zeus work like my new one. Thankfully I can run out of three separate directories (have I recently mentioned how awsome Zeus is that it can do this?) and compare 'em all together. And I only just found out about the Export/Import for key mappings so I'll *DEFINATELY* be using that feature!
So anyways, this is just fair warning that you are about to be inundated with dozens of "how do I dod this?" kinda questions. :)
Alan Stewart
Upgrading to 3.96n from 3.95z
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Hi Alan,
Good to hear you are about to upgrade
For details on how to maintain your current configuration read this link:
http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207
I look forward to it
Cheers Jussi
Good to hear you are about to upgrade
For details on how to maintain your current configuration read this link:
http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207
So anyways, this is just fair warning that you are about to be inundated with dozens of "how do I do this?" kinda questions.
I look forward to it
Cheers Jussi
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Upgrade
Yup. I just need to get my order information (I sure hope I've got it at home!) so that I can prove I'm eligible for the $25 upgrade. Failing that I know RegNet has it *somewhere*. The only thing is that I can't remember what email I registered it under. Oops! :)
That's basically what I'm doing for the configuration upgrade except that I'm trying to merge my work and home configurations (3.95z) with the new 3.96n configuration. Ouch. At least doing the scripts was dead easy.
Is it safe to copy my old 3.95z white.col onto 3.96n's Zeus*-coloring.ext?
And so far the only odd thing I've found is common to both old and new so I suspect it's an MS thing:
"Weird. When I'm flipping back and forth between two copies of Zeus with the Editor Options dialog box up, if I'm on the Keyboard Mapping or Fonts tabs, they don't stick. Flipping always reverts back to the previously selected tab."
Hardly a big worry in the grand scheme of things.
That's basically what I'm doing for the configuration upgrade except that I'm trying to merge my work and home configurations (3.95z) with the new 3.96n configuration. Ouch. At least doing the scripts was dead easy.
Is it safe to copy my old 3.95z white.col onto 3.96n's Zeus*-coloring.ext?
And so far the only odd thing I've found is common to both old and new so I suspect it's an MS thing:
"Weird. When I'm flipping back and forth between two copies of Zeus with the Editor Options dialog box up, if I'm on the Keyboard Mapping or Fonts tabs, they don't stick. Flipping always reverts back to the previously selected tab."
Hardly a big worry in the grand scheme of things.
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Keymap
Okay, here's the first one ...
How do I actually do a keymap import? Both [New] and [Import] seem to be disabled for some reason. Is there another checkbox I need somewhere? Even putting the .ZXP files into the zConfig directory doesn't seem to be making any difference. Hmmm.
Aha! I'm not so stupid after all! I have to create a brand new one (give it a name first) and *then* I can Import into it. I was just thinking of importing into the BriefEx one but I think if I create my own to use then I can always check the original BriefEx one when I need to know what keys are originally set to. This is good!
Hmm, when I go to delete it, the messageBox says "Are you sure you want to delete the 'xxx' tool?" I guess that's just a resource string issue.
How do I actually do a keymap import? Both [New] and [Import] seem to be disabled for some reason. Is there another checkbox I need somewhere? Even putting the .ZXP files into the zConfig directory doesn't seem to be making any difference. Hmmm.
Aha! I'm not so stupid after all! I have to create a brand new one (give it a name first) and *then* I can Import into it. I was just thinking of importing into the BriefEx one but I think if I create my own to use then I can always check the original BriefEx one when I need to know what keys are originally set to. This is good!
Hmm, when I go to delete it, the messageBox says "Are you sure you want to delete the 'xxx' tool?" I guess that's just a resource string issue.
Hi Alan,
Cheers Jussi
Yes, it should be ok. It is just important to make sure you have a good backup the original 3.95z configuration details, so they don't get lostIs it safe to copy my old 3.95z white.col onto 3.96n's Zeus*-coloring.ext?
That is a bit weird. I tried this with two copies of Zeus 3.96 running but for me it works fineWeird. When I'm flipping back and forth between two copies of Zeus with the Editor Options dialog box up, if I'm on the Keyboard Mapping or Fonts tabs, they don't stick. Flipping always reverts back to the previously selected tab.
I'll get that bug fixedHmm, when I go to delete it, the messageBox says "Are you sure you want to delete the 'xxx' tool?" I guess that's just a resource string issue.
Cheers Jussi
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Update
Good. So far I'm just working on .BAT files but it's looking good. I was able to move my white.col over so now things are *looking* right and that's a major thing for me. I can now finally see what I want to see at a glance.
Is there anywhere that people are keeping lists of keywords? I added a couple more to the .BAT ones but when I get to .CSS files it'll be interesting to see what's all in there.
Hmmm, am I only *NOW* cluing in to the fact that you can select lines with Alt-Lmouse click, and then select more with Shift-Alt-Lmouse click? That's been working since forever, hasn't it?
The flipping issue is probably just my machine. I wouldn't worry about it really.
Oh yeah, for .BAT files, I added "0::" as Line Comment 2 since I'm lazy and just use : as a coment. I know it isn't, but it "works".
I guess I'll look at Java files next.
P.S. I've got Alt-J set up as BookMarkGoto and Shift-Alt-J as BookMarkDisplay. Works like a charm!
I guess th downside of my exporting/importing all my old keyboard mappings is that I don't get to find out about any of the cool new stuff added. Oh well, I'm sure I'll figure it all out eventually.
Is there anywhere that people are keeping lists of keywords? I added a couple more to the .BAT ones but when I get to .CSS files it'll be interesting to see what's all in there.
Hmmm, am I only *NOW* cluing in to the fact that you can select lines with Alt-Lmouse click, and then select more with Shift-Alt-Lmouse click? That's been working since forever, hasn't it?
The flipping issue is probably just my machine. I wouldn't worry about it really.
Oh yeah, for .BAT files, I added "0::" as Line Comment 2 since I'm lazy and just use : as a coment. I know it isn't, but it "works".
I guess I'll look at Java files next.
P.S. I've got Alt-J set up as BookMarkGoto and Shift-Alt-J as BookMarkDisplay. Works like a charm!
I guess th downside of my exporting/importing all my old keyboard mappings is that I don't get to find out about any of the cool new stuff added. Oh well, I'm sure I'll figure it all out eventually.
Hi Alan,
Unfortunately the design of the Zeus configuration model is such that really isn't good when it comes to allowing users to share configuration details. This is part of Zeus that could definitely be better
But the news is not all bad. Zeus does have an option to import TextPad Syntax Files so you can always uses the word files that have been created by TextPad users
You can download the syntax files from here: http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/syna2g.html
In the keywords pannel just click the import option and select the *.syn file filter option in the open dialog.
Forever
Cheers Jussi
Is there anywhere that people are keeping lists of keywords?
Unfortunately the design of the Zeus configuration model is such that really isn't good when it comes to allowing users to share configuration details. This is part of Zeus that could definitely be better
I added a couple more to the .BAT ones but when I get to .CSS files it'll be interesting to see what's all in there.
But the news is not all bad. Zeus does have an option to import TextPad Syntax Files so you can always uses the word files that have been created by TextPad users
You can download the syntax files from here: http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/syna2g.html
In the keywords pannel just click the import option and select the *.syn file filter option in the open dialog.
Hmmm, am I only *NOW* cluing in to the fact that you can select lines with Alt-L mouse click, and then select more with Shift-Alt-Lmouse click? That's been working since forever, hasn't it?
Forever
Cheers Jussi
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Update
It's tough finding a way to make configuration work well for the computer *AND* be human manageable as well. What you've done is pretty good. At least it's easy enough to keep configurations from upgrade to upgrade.
Those TextPad Syntax Files look like they could do the trick! The CSS one looks pretty complete. Nifty!
Hmm, this is odd. The only colour schemes that are showing up are not the full list.
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OH! I get it! There's no vertical scroll bar for the list! Okay, that's not so bad. I wonder if it's another weird MS/XP thing?
Those TextPad Syntax Files look like they could do the trick! The CSS one looks pretty complete. Nifty!
Hmm, this is odd. The only colour schemes that are showing up are not the full list.
...
OH! I get it! There's no vertical scroll bar for the list! Okay, that's not so bad. I wonder if it's another weird MS/XP thing?
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Upgrade
Java conversion seems okay. I think I'm liking the new SmartIndenting. There seems to be fewer problems now than I was having before. So far the only difference is that the behaviour is a little different when hitting ENTER after a brace inside a function (it just drops down a line and lines up with the brace) vs the brace right after the function header (it drops down *AND* indents) but I think I can live with that. It's certainly better than the macro I tried playing with a while ago.
Is there any export for the macro key mappings? Although I guess that's not such a big deal since I didn't really have all that many.
The thing with this upgrade is that I won't know what I'm missing until I go to use it and it's not there. And of course, right now, I'm not doing anything so it could be a while before I notice anything. Which is good. It gives me time to do the upgrade!
Ah. Here's something odd. I've got the Line Cursor Wrap set to column 80 but in 3.95z the green line is right after the 80th column but in 3.96n it's *before* the 80th column. Did something change there somehow? Probably not a big deal, but it's good to know where what is.
Bloody 'eck! How did I manage to assign "R" to Enter????
Hmm, okay, the Line Wrap Cursor *does* seem to be wrapping one character earlier than usual. Well, no mind. I usually work with Line Wrap off anyways.
Alright. Time to head home. I'll look at it some more tomorrow. Boy, it sure feels good finally getting this done!
Is there any export for the macro key mappings? Although I guess that's not such a big deal since I didn't really have all that many.
The thing with this upgrade is that I won't know what I'm missing until I go to use it and it's not there. And of course, right now, I'm not doing anything so it could be a while before I notice anything. Which is good. It gives me time to do the upgrade!
Ah. Here's something odd. I've got the Line Cursor Wrap set to column 80 but in 3.95z the green line is right after the 80th column but in 3.96n it's *before* the 80th column. Did something change there somehow? Probably not a big deal, but it's good to know where what is.
Bloody 'eck! How did I manage to assign "R" to Enter????
Hmm, okay, the Line Wrap Cursor *does* seem to be wrapping one character earlier than usual. Well, no mind. I usually work with Line Wrap off anyways.
Alright. Time to head home. I'll look at it some more tomorrow. Boy, it sure feels good finally getting this done!
I think I'm liking the new SmartIndenting. There seems to be fewer problems now than I was having before.
It still has one or two glitches but I generally like the way it works
Is there any export for the macro key mappings?
There is in the latest version of Zeus but not in the earlier versions.
There was a change to the line wrap indictor code when the Left Margin Indicator was added (ie there are now two column indicators) so I guess this change would have introduced this slight difference in behaviourAh. Here's something odd. I've got the Line Cursor Wrap set to column 80 but in 3.95z the green line is right after the 80th column but in 3.96n it's *before* the 80th column. Did something change there somehow?
Cheers Jussi
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Okay, now the General tab of the Editor Options isn't sticking so I can't easily compare my settings. That is an odd one. Okay, I cheated. I took a screen-snap of the two different Editor Options/General tabs. That does the trick!
There. I *thought* I wasn't getting the right characters showing up because the OEM settings weren't on. That's much better!
I'm sure the SmartIndenting glitches will work their way through eventually. Right now I think it's pretty good. I'll go back over my old postings and see if there's anything from then still hanging around.
I got my macros pretty much taken care of so I'm not gonna worry about the exporting. Still, it's good to know that it's in there now. I'm sure other people are even more macro crazier than I am! :)
Oh? There's now a Left Margin thingy? Is that the thing with the line numbers and bookmarks and folding?
There. I *thought* I wasn't getting the right characters showing up because the OEM settings weren't on. That's much better!
I'm sure the SmartIndenting glitches will work their way through eventually. Right now I think it's pretty good. I'll go back over my old postings and see if there's anything from then still hanging around.
I got my macros pretty much taken care of so I'm not gonna worry about the exporting. Still, it's good to know that it's in there now. I'm sure other people are even more macro crazier than I am! :)
Oh? There's now a Left Margin thingy? Is that the thing with the line numbers and bookmarks and folding?
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What's the usage for the "Keywords take precedence over delimiters" checkbox in the Keywords properties dialog box? It's checked for HTML but only if I uncheck it do my keywords get highlighted, which seems the opposite of how I would think it would work. Which means I'm probably thinking backwards or something.
I moved CSS file type from XML to HTML since (at least right now) I tend to load CSS files more with HTML files than XML. Although, thinking on it, if I want CSS keywords highlighted, I think I need to create a brand new CSS file type. Can I have the same extension in multiple file types? I'm thinking of this just for what files are filtered. If I'm loading up HTML files I often want to find .CSS and .JS files as well. Hmmm, that's not gonna work, is it?
I moved CSS file type from XML to HTML since (at least right now) I tend to load CSS files more with HTML files than XML. Although, thinking on it, if I want CSS keywords highlighted, I think I need to create a brand new CSS file type. Can I have the same extension in multiple file types? I'm thinking of this just for what files are filtered. If I'm loading up HTML files I often want to find .CSS and .JS files as well. Hmmm, that's not gonna work, is it?
I'm sure the SmartIndenting glitches will work their way through eventually.
It can always be improved, so if you find an issue with it, just post a small code snippet and a short description of what you thing it does wrong and what you think it should do
Oh? There's now a Left Margin thingy? Is that the thing with the line numbers and bookmarks and folding?
No. This margin was added for languages like COBOL. In COBOL everything before column 7 is ignored so this margin helps to highlight this point.
That is a bit of a hack for languages like XML and HTML. This check box is attached to the pattern and it says even if the pattern matches paint the pattern using any keyword color information found. The opposite is if the pattern matches just paint it with the pattern color.What's the usage for the "Keywords take precedence over delimiters" checkbox in the Keywords properties dialog box?
It could well be a bug. Because HTML coloring is so different to normal language coloring and HTML was added very late to Zeus, it does not always color it as well as it shouldIt's checked for HTML but only if I uncheck it do my keywords get highlighted
Which means I'm probably thinking backwards or something.
Here is an example. Consider this pattern: <*> and these keywords: this, test
And consider this code: <this is a test case>
With the option off: the whole string is painted the pattern color
With the option on: this and test are painted in their keyword colors and the reset is painted in the pattern color
Can I have the same extension in multiple file types?
Not really. Zeus will search all the document types based on the file extension and will only ever use the first one it finds.
Cheers Jussi
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Update
I'll have a look at the SmartIndenting and let you know.
Ah. COBOL. It's been a while since I had to read COBOL. And I hope I never have to work with it again!
Yeah, I've noticed that the HTML colouring is awkward at best. It's a tough one. Just now I'm noticing that if I do something like <h1><h2><h3>george then h1/h2 are coloured but h3 isn't unless you put a space after it. But if you put in <h4> then they all colour properly again. I couldn't find any reason why that would be. Is there any cause to try and make the XHTML constructs like <br /> and <hr /> colour properly? Should /> be added to the mix?
Hmm, I see how that works now. Well, I'm kinda avoiding patterns for now. I find they can be very confusing.
Interesting. If I uncheck the box then all the <tags> get coloured. If I check the box, then all the attributes= get coloured. But not ever both at the same time. Hmmm.
Yeah, I figured the first one was the one used. That's the way I woulda done it. Okay. CSS gets it's own type. I'll get to that in a bit.
Sometimes when I run macros on marked text, the text is no longer maked when the macro is done but the display still shows the marked area. How do I tell things to do a refresh to unmark the seemingly marked area? I'm expecting that there's a macro command for that?
I think your string pattern matching is working better. At least with escaped "s it seems to be. Which is nice.
Ah. COBOL. It's been a while since I had to read COBOL. And I hope I never have to work with it again!
Yeah, I've noticed that the HTML colouring is awkward at best. It's a tough one. Just now I'm noticing that if I do something like <h1><h2><h3>george then h1/h2 are coloured but h3 isn't unless you put a space after it. But if you put in <h4> then they all colour properly again. I couldn't find any reason why that would be. Is there any cause to try and make the XHTML constructs like <br /> and <hr /> colour properly? Should /> be added to the mix?
Hmm, I see how that works now. Well, I'm kinda avoiding patterns for now. I find they can be very confusing.
Interesting. If I uncheck the box then all the <tags> get coloured. If I check the box, then all the attributes= get coloured. But not ever both at the same time. Hmmm.
Yeah, I figured the first one was the one used. That's the way I woulda done it. Okay. CSS gets it's own type. I'll get to that in a bit.
Sometimes when I run macros on marked text, the text is no longer maked when the macro is done but the display still shows the marked area. How do I tell things to do a refresh to unmark the seemingly marked area? I'm expecting that there's a macro command for that?
I think your string pattern matching is working better. At least with escaped "s it seems to be. Which is nice.
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Update
I *finally* implemented your PrintLine() from a while back:
http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
Works like a charm!
I think most of the bugs on that old issue are now all resolved. I'm not doing any heavy coding at the moment, and what I am doing is all in HTML/CSS so we'll see what else shows up.
Too many meetings today. Tomorrow I think I'll do LUA files. This is actually good for me as I'm now taking the time to review a lot of my old macros (from 2001!) and clean them up a bit. The QuickKeys I did today for HTML works nicely now. I like LUA for simple scripting.
http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
Works like a charm!
I think most of the bugs on that old issue are now all resolved. I'm not doing any heavy coding at the moment, and what I am doing is all in HTML/CSS so we'll see what else shows up.
Too many meetings today. Tomorrow I think I'll do LUA files. This is actually good for me as I'm now taking the time to review a lot of my old macros (from 2001!) and clean them up a bit. The QuickKeys I did today for HTML works nicely now. I like LUA for simple scripting.